



It requires you to sit through an ad if you aren't a subscriber, but everything you need to know about how I wound up getting involved with a relationship book -- perhaps the second-to-last thing I would have envisioned myself doing, ahead of only writing Linda's Guide To Keeping Your Car Tidy -- is contained in the jaw-droppingly insulting Salon article found here:
http://www.salon.com/books/int/2005/09/20/kunkel/index.html
Go and read it, and then come back.
This is what passes for discourse. This is what passes for trying to figure it out. "For some time now I have been anxious to let loose on the sorry state of the young male population of this country -- or at least of New York City," says Rebecca Traister. Yes, the entire young male population is of one "sorry state." The literally millions of men of this kind, have gone to pot. Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what it is. No matter their background, no matter their history, they can all be successfully judged based on two factors: they are young, and they are men. And as a group, they simply are not good enough.
Is this a joke? At first, I thought it might be satire. She sits with this navel-gazing dork who is, based on this conversation, the precise brand of stultifyingly boring spiritual poet I despise the most, and she allows him to bloviate about the failings of men in general, and about how women are just so very superior to them. She is apparently entirely unaware that Kunkel is reading from a script that men have been playing out for a zillion years, telling her exactly what she wants to hear while actually reenforcing every revolting stereotype in which men are so innately inept at relationships that women are doomed to spend eternity teaching a remedial Emotional Intelligence class, doling out sex and attention in ways that are little more than behavior modification techniques.
Benjamin tells us, "As far as I can tell, it will take some ingenuity for a man to retain his freedom past a certain age." You'll notice that Kunkel uses brightly positive language -- "ingenuity" and "freedom" -- to describe concepts that he is, in theory, condemning. In theory, the "ingenuity" he is discussing is something he considers emotional cowardice, and the "freedom" he is discussing is something he finds akin to pathetic emptiness. Why, then, is he using words of admiration? Why is he choosing a vocabulary of good cheer and inspiration -- ingenuity, freedom -- to describe these men when he is about to agree with Traister -- shocker! -- when she posits that "generally young men are unworthy of their female counterparts"? Because Kunkel isn't really condemning this behavior. He's really romanticizing it. It's about suffering. It's about pain. It's about creeping modernism. Guys who treat you like crap aren't mean -- they're afflicted.
Traister, by the way, wants you to know that she thinks that truth is very "uncomfortable," this acknowledging that men are generally unworthy of women. If you have ever met this woman, however -- the "I hate to say it, but men suck" woman -- you know that she does not at all hate to say it. She loves to say it. She says it to everyone who will listen. Always with that same phony reluctance, but always with that same evident glee.
So what is Kunkel's answer for Traister? A sexual strike. At first, it sounds like he might be talking about selectivity, saying, "As a whole, you should go on some sort of a sexual strike against just such men." But the men she is talking about are "men of [her] generation." The very men they have been generalizing about. The very men who are so unworthy. That's the answer: don't sleep with them.
Even more revolting is the next bit, in which Kunkel says that individual women making this decision will not suffice. It has to be like the labor movement. All women, he says, have to get together and "go on sexual strike" against all men. In general.
Of course, Traister responds that this would punish women as well, since that would mean that women would be deprived of sex. But Kunkel has the solution to this, as well. "You need to make an old-fashioned masculine distinction between sex and love. Just find some guy and use him. The guys you want love from? Give them nothing."
Stop and read that again.
Only have sex with the ones you don't care about, he says. Use them. Drive a wedge between sex and feelings, and deny sex to men you actually like as a brickbat you can use to get them to... do what, exactly? Have more passion? Be more interesting? Traister's main complaint seems to be that men are boring. Is this going to make them more sparkling conversationalists? If the argument Kunkel is making is that women as a whole can be said to function emotionally in a way superior to the way men function, then why in the hell would you tell them to learn how to draw "an old-fashioned masculine distinction"?
Kunkel goes on to blame widespread male malaise on things like bureaucratization, making a preposterously strained argument that seems to amount to something like this: Modern-day life has limited meaning. Men have always had lives with oodles of meaning, so they really miss it and it makes them sad. Women have always had lives with substantially less meaning, so they appreciate just having a little bit more. In other words, being a bureaucrat looks really bad to a man who used to be able to be great, but it looks pretty good to a woman who used to just sweep the ashes out of the fireplace. He dresses it up, but that's the basic idea.
He then moves on to the patently silly idea that past generations mated and married based on a passionate sense of "destiny," which is not only not true, but basically the opposite of true. It's pretty hard to make the case that a "shopping mentality" is a new thing to romance when for zillions of years, you could do things like get a mail-order bride. The idea that you should marry based on romantic love isn't some ancient ideal that the consumer culture has corrupted -- it's a relatively recent notion that the consumer culture encourages. Constantly hunting for something better, something perfect... this is exactly what's wrong with the idea of destiny.
And then Benjamin pays tribute to perhaps the only "persuasive love story" he has ever found in fiction, which turns out to be about a man who has set up a utopian feminist commune.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME WITH THIS GUY?
Hasn't Traister ever hung around on campus at a place like Oberlin or Swarthmore? Is this really her FIRST goateed straight man who lurves to talk about feminism over Indian food? How the only good love story is one set on a UTOPIAN FEMINIST COMMUNE? I hate to say it, but if you can't recognize that for the line that it is, you deserve every loser you're going to continue dating, because that, my friends, is some bullshit.
And then Rebecca talks for a while about how women don't freak out when things don't work out, saying this: "So when things get tough, women don't enjoy it any more than men, but they are not surprised. Whereas men -- at least some of the ones I've known -- have been paralyzed by life's hardships." This coming from a woman whose conclusion, because she apparently hasn't outgrown dating Black Turtleneck Slacker Guy, is that young men as a group are unworthy of young women. Good fucking grief. Talk about "paralyzed by life's hardships." She's written off an entire gender. In men, we call that misogyny. Can you imagine -- seriously, can you imagine -- a man seriously writing in a publication like Salon that young women are basically unworthy of young men, and some understanding woman writer nodding her head all, "Yeah, you know, you should go on sexual strike against women until they act more like you want"?
I hate everything about that conversation. I am depressed and disheartened by both of their positions in it, and it comes off like a lot of mutual stroking -- oh, you're so right, oh, you're so good, oh, you're so wise, oh, I totally agree -- that never goes more than about a half-inch deep. From the opening stereotypes ("Boys only like sci-fi and dirty movies!")to the ostentatiously quasi-intellectual claptrap that follows, this conversation is everything that's wrong with the way men and women talk to each other.
What is to be gained from a woman sitting down with a man willing to agree that other men (himself not included) suck? Does it ever occur to her that if everyone she's dating is listless and boring, it might have something to do with her choices? If she's lamenting the existence of a subgroup of dull, inert windbags, I totally agree -- Kunkel being Exhibit A. Her description of the way her "date" with him was set up and the way he behaved made him sound like exactly the kind of person I dislike, but she found it charming. She thinks it's endearing how he says he wants Indian and sends her a list of restaurants in descending order of preference and cost. I would find that pushy, show-offy, and indicative of someone who will, just as he eventually does, be in a constant state of self-display throughout the discussion.
You know, it's really not my job as a woman to participate in demonstrations to make men better at relationships. It's not my experience that men need to be made better at relationships any more than women do. This is the same cop-out that lies at the heart of He's Just Not That Into You. Just as that book said, "Oh, sweetie, there was nothing you could have done; he never cared about you," this one says, "Oh, sweetie. Men suck. That's what it is. They're not nearly as good as women. It's just part of being a guy."
This benefits exactly one group of people: men who suck. The only people who are better off under this theory are men who want to continue to be obnoxious and self-involved. We know women aren't going to go on a general sexual strike, and so does Kunkel. What his theory accomplishes is that it tells women that if they choose not to go on a general sexual strike, they have only themselves to blame for the consequences. He places the onus on women to solve whatever ails men, and if they don't, then... well, you know. They're the better species. The least they could do is step up.
A lot of men annoy me. I've been known to catalog them at length. But a lot of women annoy me, too. The older you get, the more selective you are about the people you allow into your life, and the more attuned you become to the things that make them not right for you. But if you're smart, you also become more painfully aware of how precious people are who seem capable of understanding and caring about you, and the more preposterous it seems to fall back on some kind of boys-versus-girls idiocy to explain the simple truth that most people in the world are not right for you. Most people in the world will not get you in quite the right way, or won't make you laugh, or will irritate you. At 35, you know a lot more than you did at 20 about how many things there are that make people not right for you, and more of the ones that are right for you are already with somebody else. But that doesn't make any more of them suck than sucked when you were 20.
The world is annoying. People you like are hard to find. Lots of men are slackers. Lots of men are overly driven wankers. Lots of women are aimless morons. Lots of women are bitches. It's not a contest. What's to be gained from lowering the level of discourse like this?
Everybody's trying. Everybody's screwing up a lot, because relationships are complicated. But sitting down with some guy who's willing to tell you exactly what you want to hear about how bad all the men out ther really are, just so that you'll run and tell everyone how brilliant and insightful he is? That's not the way to learn a damn thing.
OK, whew. When I was reading the article, I swear I thought it was the wrong one... and I hesitantly went back to read your discourse and sighed a HUGE sigh of relief. I agree with you 100%.
And that wasn't nice, making us read that and wonder, "Dude, she doesn't agree with this claptrap, does she? Please tell me she doesn't... that wouldn't make sense and would totally screw up the world I've come to know."
Mean.
at 07:12 AM on 09.20.05
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I only sort of believe everyone is trying. I actually do believe that everyone would really really like to try, but it's too hard and the midwest winter is too long and it all promotes laziness over idealism by the time the snow falls. But cynical narcissism isn't the balm for any of it for sure.
at 07:12 AM on 09.20.05
[ link ]I fucking love you...
no not lurve...
it's love as in thank god someone else understands that it's ok to want to choke the shiite out of idiots love.
it's that knowledge that 95% of the people out there are idiots love... and that its ok to feel that way.
I would pee on that article if I hated my computer.
These two are sellout wishy-washy weens that make me hurl. but I LOVE LOVE LOVE your "black turtle neck Guy"... the one with 10,000 maniacs on CDplaying with a tapestry on the ceiling of his dorm room with pitchoulie(sp?) or incense or some other crap smelling up his place.
Man-trolls like myself and the lacrosse team would throw snowballs at their windows to cock-block them just for kicks since he called us neaderthals.
4 engineering majors being called sub-human by a dude that pimps his art-history/philosophy degree did not float well, even at semi-liberal U of Rochester.
later girl... keep it coming
Paul
at 07:12 AM on 09.20.05
[ link ]God, I can't read articles like that Salon bullshit without yelling at my computer. The only thing that pretentious wunderkind New Man said that I could totally agree with was "I'm out of my depth here." Yeah, pal, and the sad thing is, it's a wading pool.
I sometimes wonder why the editors don't stop this crap before it goes out into the world; why someone somewhere in the chain doesn't take writers like Rebecca aside and say "Dear, we think you may be just a bit too stupid to be writing for us. Please try "People" magazine. They might allow you to base articles on sweeping premises about entire groups of people. We just don't do that here. It's, you know, a policy."
Because the truth is - as you point out - stunningly obvious, and if our mothers didn't teach it to us when we were children, it's a lesson that only a moron could fail to absorb by osmosis: "... most people in the world are not right for you." How can people see that ... LIVE that in their choice of friends ... and not see it when it comes to a potential relationship?
Garbage like that gives men permission to be assholes and gives women permission to duck the blame for their lack of acumen in making dating choices.
I cannot wait for your book. I have a long list of women who need to read what you have to say. Starting with my daughters.
at 07:12 AM on 09.20.05
[ link ]Thanks so much for linking to the "That Guy" article again -- I was looking for a way to articulate just what was bugging me about J.D. on the INXS show and it finally hit me that he was indeed a prime example of That Guy.
at 07:12 AM on 09.20.05
[ link ]Here's my request for all future arguments about Why Dating is HARD: leave out the bullshit about how men's and women's roles have changed over time and that's why it's so difficult right now. Yes, gender relations have changed and we're more "equal," but no - a massive revolution has not occurred over the course of YOUR dating lifetime. Let's say you're 35, and you've been looking for dates for 20 years - you don't get to use the suffrage movement as an excuse. Nor the fact that women are more career-oriented now, because that movement has been afoot since you were a kid, so you grew up in these circumstances. And you know who else did? Your potential dates. So if we're all going through the same changes together, then everyone is equally confused, rendering this point moot. No gender gets to stake their claim on it. It's not as though women have it all straight and men just haven't caught up yet.
At the least, I would like to call for a ban on all excuses relating to pre-20th century conditions. No more "Everything was so much easier for cavemen!"
at 07:12 AM on 09.20.05
[ link ]Even better than the "back door" reference with these choads...
is their NEW VIDEO which I thought was an ad for Reno 911 when I was flipping thru the channels untill I realived I recognized one of the mulletized weens.
It is SO PERFECT for them, it's like "The Comeback" and all of the horrible irony set to music.
I hope that they put more of that crap out so it can be awfully good like Wylde Stallions
at 07:12 AM on 09.20.05
[ link ]When I read that article, I was amazed at how stupid both parties were. Women complaining about "where are all the great guys?" is beyond tired. If you don't like the guy, don't continue to date him! Keep looking. It's just whinning and I can't stand it.
at 07:12 AM on 09.20.05
[ link ]What I find curious is how a female sex strike would be effective against the male population if 'we' still have sex for sex and not love with guys. Isn't that still 'giving them some' and defeating the purpose of the sexual strike? How could anyone not realize they're contradicting themselves in virtually the same sentence? Because, if you only sleep with ones you don't care about, well, the guy you care about is probably sleeping with a woman who doesn't care about him, so what's going to break the circular logic?
Really, I'm putting way too much thought into something that's obviously thoughtless to begin with.
at 07:12 AM on 09.20.05
[ link ]Linda, I had many of the same thoughts (not nearly so well articulated, of course) as I read the Salon piece last week. My reaction was that neither of these people has ever actually been in a relationship before, because I've sure never been in one that even remotely resembles what they describe. Guess I'm not hip, witty, and attractive enough to have suffered so.
Looking forward to your book, despite my happily married state, because I can't wait for someone to insert some sanity into all of this hysteria.
at 07:12 AM on 09.20.05
[ link ]Please, finish the book soon! My God, how do these people get this drivel published?
And just incidentally:
"a man of few interests and no passions; a man whose libido is reduced and whose sense of responsibility nonexistent."
Stop hanging out with stoners then, sheesh.
And I'm in total agreement with Carrie Ann - 30 year olds were born in 1975. We've grown up with all this.
at 07:12 AM on 09.20.05
[ link ]That article is seriously scary. Linda, thanks for writing the perfect rebuttal!
at 07:12 AM on 09.20.05
[ link ]I had the same thoughts when I read that article, but just let my anger boil inside.
But I've spent the last day boiling over the whole Broadsheet thing at Salon and I just can't keep quiet about it anymore! Why, oh why are there so many supposedly intelligent women getting behind her?
Seriously, can we start a "Not in our Name" campaign against this woman?
at 07:12 AM on 09.20.05
[ link ]This post reminded me of why I love you, Linda.
Now, let's stick it to them and do the opposite of a sexual strike.
at 07:12 AM on 09.20.05
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